When Were The Moon and The Sun Created?

Were The Sun And The Moon Created On The Fourth Day?

Was The Light On The First Day, The Light Of The Sun, or Of The Creator?

When Was The Heavens Created?

Aren't The Sun and Moon Part Of The Heavens?

When Was The Creation Of The Heavens Completed?

I hope those questions will help steer one into the truth of the matter.

"When was the sun and the moon created?" is the question often asked in light with the truth (found in the Torah/Scripture) of the Lunar Sabbath.

[...pause and pray...]

We have been drilled (or hypnotized) to take what is given by teachers or "authorities" in general to make assumptions as truths.

Drilled means -- an exercised engrained, a ritual, such as going to church, a style of reading the Scriptures, and framing subjects and the like. These we picked up usually from our elders, teachers, pastors and ministers and the like.

Example: A 45min or so sermon of "Rightly Dividing The Word of Truth" 2Ti 2:15 without teaching how to divide the word. Sets an example to emulate how to interpret Scriptures according to however one feels it to be understood.

Today the tradition of Torah Reading each and every Sabbath is not even practiced and even back then when I was in the SDA church, how much more so today. And I have been to a handful of Christian Churches as well and none of those Churches even have what is close to the Torah Reading in their services.

The "churches" has fallen dependent to what is known to them as "sermons", not like the "sermon on the mount". Far from it. No more "breaking of the bread" -- rightly dividing the word of truth.

There are many in the congregation who do not have any clue how to "divide the word" or how to know if a teaching is truth. And because of this many assumptions framed on the subject becomes truth along with the subject (provided the subject is truth). This is self-deception - believing on half-truths. And then using this half-truths to frame another subject, it becomes double-deception.

I provided examples of these on these posts:

Assumptions, from the root word ASSUME can be divided into ASS - U - ME (making an ASS of U and ME). This can happen if we become dogmatic of the assumptions.

The point is, when we view something, we have to find right away what are our assumptions based on our worldview or viewpoint looking at something. That way we can learn something.

The first assumption on this question "When was the sun and the moon created?" that we almost always assumed to be truth is that the translation from the original Hebrew was correct. NOTE: There is another layer below this, we assume that the translation from the original manuscript to the modern Hebrew was correct.

With that said, there is two level assumptions that we have to clear so that the data can be Stable Data -- Absolute Truth. In this essay we can only clear the first layer with the Strong's Hebrew Dictionary. So the data cannot be Stable Data as of yet, but will become Trustworthy Data.

It means that, sometime in the near or so future when our knowledge will yet increase, there might come new light on this. And IF we become dogmatic about this Trustworthy data today, we may not see the Absolute Truth later when it comes. So that we are constantly commanded to be Watchful, and this is just one of the things we have to be watchful for.

There's another assumption on this very subject of creation. That is: The reader can readily assume the perspective to be in human terms.

Remember, man or the first human was created on the sixth day. So, if we removed our assumed perspective of view, then what is left is the Creator's Perspective. And He is not subject to time as we know time to be. He is not subject to our calculations and the like.

So this creation account must be viewed on the Creator's perspective. Which means we have to ASSUME many things. And that means DO NOT MAKE a doctrine out of it, hastily.

In short, do not be dogmatic. Because we will not ever comprehend the mind of the Creator.

But He gave us the Scriptures and He placed the Laws in nature that when we discover them (in the sciences), we can use them also to help us as another testament to His Word(Torah) and existence. You just need to know how to rightly divide the word and go prove everything and hold on to what is good.

Do you know the laws of the heavens? Or do you set their rule over the earth?
(Job 38:33 The Scriptures 1998+)

Light is progressive.

Let's begin

In The Beginning

In the beginningH7225 ...
(Gen 1:1 KJV+)

H7225 ראשׁית rê'shı̂yth ray-sheeth': From the same as H7218; the first, in place, time, order or rank (specifically a firstfruit): - beginning, chief (-est), first (-fruits, part, time), principal thing.

It simply means, before the first day of creation, this IS the first, principal thing that happened, the firstfruit in place (all matter, energy, space), time, order or rank (physical and natural laws) -- there was nothing before this ever.

The Heavens

In the beginning God created the heavenH8064 ... (Gen 1:1 KJV+)

H8064 שׁמה שׁמים shâmayim shâmeh shaw-mah'-yim, shaw-meh'

The second form being dual of an unused singular; from an unused root meaning to be lofty; the sky (as aloft; the dual perhaps alluding to the visible arch in which the clouds move, as well as to the higher ether where the celestial bodies revolve): - air, X astrologer, heaven (-s).

celestial body/bodies

Heavenly body/bodies located outside of Earths's Atmosphere, such as the sun, the moon, an asteroid/s, planet/s, or star/s.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/celestial_body

The Hebrew word, means, all substance from what is visible of the naked eye and beyond, even the invisible ether related to the celestial bodies. Including matter, energy, space, and time, and the physical and natural laws that govern them.

And He brought him outside and said, “Look now toward the "heavens"1, and count the stars if you are able to count them.” And He said to him, “So are your seed.”
Footnote: 1 The same Hebrew word for Heaven in Gen 1:1, 22:17, Ex 32:13, Deut 1:10, 10:22, 28:62, .
(Gen 15:5 The Scriptures 1998+)

and lest you lift up your eyes to the "heavens", and shall see the sun, and the moon, and the stars – all the host of the heavens – and you be drawn away into bowing down to them and serving them, which יהוה your Elohim has allotted to all the peoples under all the heavens.
Footnote: Deut 17:3
(Deu 4:19 The Scriptures 1998+)

So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself upon their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Yashar? Thus the sun stopped in the midst of the heavens, and did not hasten to go down for an entire day.
(Jos 10:13 The Scriptures 1998+)

The Universe

Aren't The Sun and Moon Part Of The Universe?

When Was The Heavens (The Universe) Created?

When Was The Creation Of The Universe Completed?

created

In the beginning God createdH1254 (H853) the heaven and the earth.
(Gen 1:1 KJV+)

H1254 בּרא bârâ' baw-raw': A primitive root; (absolutely) to create; (qualified) to cut down (a wood), select, feed (as formative processes): - choose, create (creator), cut down, dispatch, do, make (fat).

It means, to create from nothing, for the very first time.

The Hebrew word in the verse means "completed" with all substance of the universe in it. That means, the sun and the moon and the stars has to be in it already. Otherwise, how can it be said "completed"

That means, the heavens (The Universe), that includes the sun and the moon and the stars, as they are part of the universe, were created as part of the universe, "in the beginning", and so was the earth before the first day.

Also all matter, energy, space and time and the natural laws that governs all nature were created and put in place "in the beginning" before the first day. And the Almighty created them for the very first time, principal thing. Will we ever know how long this took time?

Can we trust science with what we understood so far?

Otherwise, there won't be any mention of "evening and morning" from the first day onward.

So, did the sun gave light when it was "created in the beginning"?

We can ASS-U-ME that it did. But the scripture so far did not say that it did. Or did it? Let's continue.

Let There Be Light

And God said, Let there beH1961 light:H216 and there was light.H216
1st day
(Gen 1:3 KJV+)

And God said, Let there beH1961 lightsH3974 ...
4th day
(Gen 1:14 KJV+)

And God madeH6213 two great lights;H3974 the greater lightH3974 to rule the day, and the lesser lightH3974 to rule the night: he made the stars also.
(Gen 1:16 KJV+)

H1961 היה hâyâh haw-yaw': A primitive root (compare H1933); to exist, that is, be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary): - beacon, X altogether, be (-come, accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), continue, do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-) self, require, X use.
H216 אור 'ôr ore: From H215; illumination or (concretely) luminary (in every sense, including lightning, happiness, etc.): - bright, clear, + day, light (-ning), morning, sun.
H3974 מארה מאורה מאר מאור mâ'ôr mâ'ôr me'ôrâh me'ôrâh (1,2) maw-ore', (3,4) meh-o-raw': From H215; properly a luminous body or luminary, that is, (abstractly) light (as an element); figuratively brightness, that is, cheerfulness; specifically a chandelier: - bright, light.
H6213 עשׂה ‛âśâh aw-saw': A primitive root; to do or make, in the broadest sense and widest application: - accomplish, advance, appoint, apt, be at, become, bear, bestow, bring forth, bruise, be busy, X certainly, have the charge of, commit, deal (with), deck, + displease, do, (ready) dress (-ed), (put in) execute (-ion), exercise, fashion, + feast, [fight-] ing man, + finish, fit, fly, follow, fulfil, furnish, gather, get, go about, govern, grant, great, + hinder, hold ([a feast]), X indeed, + be industrious, + journey, keep, labour, maintain, make, be meet, observe, be occupied, offer, + officer, pare, bring (come) to pass, perform, practise, prepare, procure, provide, put, requite, X sacrifice, serve, set, shew, X sin, spend, X surely, take, X thoroughly, trim, X very, + vex, be [warr-] ior, work (-man), yield, use.

I was taught at a young age that the light created on the first day was only temporary or it was coming from the Creator. From the nature of their answers I knew they were not really sure. At least they were honest, otherwise I would have been dogmatic.

But teachers of doctrines are different, they are dogmatic.

The word "light" in the first day, in Hebrew means the light of the sun.

And the word "light" in the 4th day, in Hebrew alludes to a differing lights according to functions, such as of the sun for the day, the moon and the stars for the night.

The Hebrew word for "Let there be" is become, come to pass, break, continue. This means that the sun when it was created "in the beginning" already gives light to the universe.

But the observer on earth did not have light coming through to the earth, so that when the words were pronounced "Let there be" light on the first day. Light "break" through to earth and "continue" or light come to pass.

On the fourth day it was repeated "Let there be light", but with a purpose we see in the phrase:

"to divide the day from the night; and let them be for "signs"H226(Signal), and for "seasons"H4150(Appointed Times), and for days and years:"1.
Footnote: 1 Basically for calendation so that man will be able to keep the "Appointed Times" or Worship Times of the Most High.
(Gen 1:14 ASV)

Although we have been taught to believed "the assumptions" that the sun and the moon and the stars were created on the 4th day. Today we know these were mere assumptions and assumptions can indeed make an ass of U and me. And today we have found "Trustworthy Data" from the written word.

The Hebrew word for "created"H1254 means created for the first time. (Gen 1:1), and the Hebrew word for "made"H6213 (in the 4th day, Gen 1:16, Ps 104:19) means "appointed", it did not mean created for the first time.

The Sun and Moon and stars, were created "in the beginning" and already existed from that point of time, through the first day and onward even to our day, today.

We know it is true that plants needed sunlight. Plants were brought forth on the 3rd-day. If the Heavens did not include the sun and moon in the beginning, and instead were created on the 4th day, then plants could not grow.

Question:

What was ***appointed*** to the sun and the moon on the 4th day?

Answer:

For Calendation, to regulate biological clocks of man and animals created on the following days; also for man to remember the Most High's "appointed times" or worship times -- KJV translated it "seasons" and "feasts".

- to separate day and night (appointed to the sun)

- to be for ***signs and appointed times (worship times)*** (a signal, a beacon) to ***appointed times*** -- worship times (Sabbaths, and Festivals)

And Lev 23 lists the ***appointed times*** that is ***appointed*** to one of these luminaries in the sky. And the weekly Sabbath is the first of these ***appointed times***.

If we take the sun, to signal these, we would not know what day, for example the weekly Sabbath is, because the sun was appointed to rule the day, hence we will know only when it is morning and evening by observing the sun.

In this case, we would know when the morning and evening worship shall be.

The moon is ***appointed*** for days (dates, weeks, and months and also years in accordance with the sun and the stars).

With the moon, we will know the beginning of weeks and months and years. And we would know when the ***appointed times*** listed in Lev 23 will be.

Also note: Psalm 104:19 - the word "made"H6213 in Hebrew is the same word "made"H6213 in Gen 1:16 which means ***appointed***. Which is a confirmation of the words "Let them be for *Signals*H226 and *Appointed Times*H4150 and for days and years" in Gen 1:14.

Now, that is two witnesses against us already (2Co 13:1, Heb 10:28 Deut 17:6, 19:15, Mat 18:16 1Ti 5:19, Rev 11:3). And the weekly Sabbath is the first appointed times signaled by the moon listed in Lev 23.

He "made"H6213 the moon for "appointed times"H4150; The sun knows its going down.
(Psa 104:19 The Scriptures 1998+)

This is the third time I am coming to you. “By the mouth of two or three witnesses every word shall be established.”1
Footnote: 1 Dt. 19:15.
(2Co 13:1 The Scriptures 1998+)

Anyone who has disregarded the Torah of Mosheh dies without compassion on the witness of two or three witnesses.
(Heb 10:28 The Scriptures 1998+)

So, the Most High appointed the moon to be for signs and appointed times listed in Lev 23.

"The sun knows its going down." By observing the sun we know when morning and evening is, and therefore, we would know when to worship in the morning and in the evening.

The sun cannot tell us when the weekly Sabbath of the Most High shall be and the rest of His "Appointed Times" listed in Lev 23, Only the moon is "appointed" by the Most High (bless His name) as a "signal" to point to His "Appointed Times".

Go check it out. And the luminaries in the sky as the Most High's calendar can not be changed, not even tampered by man or any power on earth. Only He can change His calendation, as He had done so in the times of King Hezekiah.

This truth is restored today. Are you going to bury it, or uphold it?

In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.
(Gen 1:1 The Scriptures 1998+)

And the earth came to be1 formless and empty, and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of Elohim was moving on the face of the waters.
Footnote: 1Or the earth became.
(Gen 1:2 The Scriptures 1998+)

And Elohim said, “Let light come to be,” and light came to be.
(Gen 1:3 The Scriptures 1998+)

And Elohim saw the light, that it was good. And Elohim separated the light from the darkness.
(Gen 1:4 The Scriptures 1998+)

And Elohim called the light ‘day’ and the darkness He called ‘night.’ And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, the first day.
(Gen 1:5 The Scriptures 1998+)

He "made"H6213 the moon for appointed times; The sun knows its going down.
(Psa 104:19 The Scriptures 1998+)

And Elohim said, “Let lights come to be in the expanse of the heavens ***to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and appointed times, and for days and years,***
(Gen 1:14 The Scriptures 1998+)

and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth.” And it came to be so.
(Gen 1:15 The Scriptures 1998+)

And Elohim made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night, and the stars.
(Gen 1:16 The Scriptures 1998+)

And Elohim set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth,
(Gen 1:17 The Scriptures 1998+)

and to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And Elohim saw that it was good.
(Gen 1:18 The Scriptures 1998+)

And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, the fourth day.
(Gen 1:19 The Scriptures 1998+)